by JLS, of the Grice Club.
---- One of the fascinating things about my joint project with Carnapian Roger Bishop Jones is that each knows what the other is talking about.
"What's the point of a joint book otherwise", Margaret Attwood notes.
---- "There's not just pages filled with Griceanisms and Carnapianisms, but comparisons. too. Take this delight: "A Conceptual Map"
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See how this is wonderfully designed in a single page of the pdf. document. And when you open the hard copy of the book, we have TWO pages to consider. The material being:
A DUAL PAGE (in the diagrammes by Jones and Speranza) refers to a page where we trace connections -- always conceptual (we cannot think but in concepts) between Carnap and Grice. We use arrows and stuff.
-------------------A
-------------CONCEPTUAL MAP
-------------------TO
The ------------------------
Carnap ------ and ------------ Griceland
Corner
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--------------------------------------- .
--------------------------------------- .
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---------------------------------- Aristotle
------------------ KANT
------------------------------Hume is where the Heart is
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------------------------------------------- .
------------------------------------------- .
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------------------------------- (Kantotle, Ariskant)
Neo-Kantianism <--- vs. ----> Oxford Hegelianism
--------------------------- Ryle sends Ayer to Vienna
----------------
-----( Wiener Kreis )
-- Carnap on pirots.
--------------------------- Ayer returns from Vienna.
--------------------------- splits from Austin's playgroup.
****************** The War ************************
----------------- The Postward ------------------------
---------------------------- Grice influential in Austin's 'kindergartens'
------------------------ Grice travels to the USA
----------------------------- to deliver the William James lectures,
----------------------------- and puns on Heidegger alla Carnap.
----------------------------- "Heidegger is the greatest living
----------------------------- philosopher, if you can take me
----------------------------- seriously" (Gri89:18)
Carnap dies.
--------------------------------- Grice intorduces his pirotological
--------------------------------- programme in the APA presidential
--------------------------------- address (Pacific Division) for 1975.
--------------------------------------- Grice gives the Carus Lectures
--------------------------------------- (published as Grice 1991)
-------------------------------------------- Grice dies in 1988.
------------------------------ Grice's Aspects of Reason lectures
---------------------------------- (published 2001).
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The map was first presented to Jones, who copied it in "Appendix to CarnapGrice", by JonesSperanza. As he notes, the (c) of that Appendix is JL Speranza, but what I'm suggesting is that if that map can be worked on, etc., we can surely introduce it in the CarnapGrice-pdf, as an overview of what the chapters will 'say' (by showing). So I would propose it as just before the first full chapter on Carnap (ch. ii). I.e. as the last section of Ch. 1).
ReplyDeleteThe map is not really about dates: but some names figure large:
ARISTOTLE
HUME -- for Carnap's approach to 'matter' as a 'logical construction' is empiricist at best.
KANT (especially due to Carnap's early adventures in neo-Kantianism with Cassirer)
RUSSELL
--- etc.
Then there are interesting links, which some dub minor but they are not, like Carnap playing childishly with 'pirots' in his "Logical Syntax" and taken up by Grice years later.
----- Carnap-Bar-Hillel as theorists of informativeness (which fascinated Grice) may also appear on such map.
As well as MORRIS, as originator of the word 'pragmatic' that Carnap used more often than Grice.
And QUINE, whose 'attack' of a 'dogma' had moved both Carnap and Grice to reconsider things.
Etc.
This is not something I have given much thought to as yet, partly because of the particular problems it would raise for presentation in LaTeX/PDF.
ReplyDeleteIs this something we could do with a table do you think?
Oh, I see.
ReplyDeleteYes, a table will do fine. I have retyped the thing so it looks more legible now.
Even in something as basic as a blog post, I have problems with such maps. In that I cannot design them too well, and have to keep adding '-----' to leave some space in between things.
If a Table, the idea would be to have
CARNAP on the left.
Grice on the right
----------------------------------------
CARNAP ----------------------------- GRICE
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So, common ground would be on the centre. This could read as a timeline. I would start with Aristotle but it does not figure large in Carnap. In fact, when he attacked metaphysics alla Carnap, a lot of people were crazy with Carnap (i.e. angry at him) because he was dismissing Aristotle too, and indeed Carnap, provocatively, did say that he chose Heidegger as laughing stock for convenience, since 'any statement by Aristotle' would have done.
--- Then I just corrected and have Kant as coming before Hume, of course.
Hume fascinated both. In Carnap, it's the fodder of his empricism. In Grice, I don't know, but can invent!
Then comes Kant, which is more serious. In the case of Grice, this combines with Aristotle to give Kantotle or Ariskant (the same thing). In Carnap's case, it's his immediate antecedent via neo-Kantianism.
By the time neo-Kantianism was strong in the Continent, Oxford was bearing with the neo-Hegelians (Bradley, Bosanquet).
Then comes Ryle who invites Ayer, who learns from Carnap and returns to Oxford as 'enfant terrible' as Grice has it. Without Ayer's soujourn in the Continent, no ordinary-language philosophy.
Soon enough, Austin splits with Ayer on matters of sense-data, and the ordinary-language approach sets foot AS the way to do philosophy in Oxford.
Meanwhile Carnap plays with probabilities in the USA.
Then common ground again: Quine attacks a dogma.
While nobody really cared, Grice and Strawson came to its defense. Carnap never considered Grice's and Strawson's reply any serious.
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Then, more common ground:
------------------MORRIS
--------defines pragmatics
---gets ---------------- is
defined by --------------- used
Carnap as ------------------ by
the study of --------------- Grice
utterance, ----------------- vis a vis
assertion, ----------------- 'pragmatic
and belief ----------------- rules'.
-----then
Carnap dies.
------------------------In 1975, Grice re-
------------------------ introduces the
pirots.
-------------- And to extend the scope of
-------------- analytic philosophy, tackles
-------------- practical reason (Locke Lectures
-------------- 1979, Oxford) and value (Carus
-------------- Lectures, 1983)
------------------------- Grice dies in 1988
Finding Aid -------------- Finding
to the Carnap ------------ Aid
papers UCLA -------------- to Grice
-------------------------- Papers, UC/Berkeley
------ ETERNAL CITY
(This reminds me -- it looks like hopscotch, from earth to heaven, the eternal city). So we should start talking about that eternal city in the ch. 1, 2, 3, 4, ... etc. So that it doesn't come as a big surprise in the end.
The mark of a good book is that readers know what they are expecting, so the Eternal City has to be presented as a desirable target in the horizon, or something.
Cheers.
If you can format something as per a table, with that info and drop in the Pdf CarnapGrice that would be good. Of course it's not a necessity. We can always narrate.
ReplyDeleteI think maybe tables for comparison could be good for other things. Notably, our recent consideration on Linksy on 'logical construction'. This could give a neat table:
------------------------------
----------- RUSSELL -----------
---- 'logical construction' ---
------- as defined
------- generally
.
.
.
CARNAP ---------------- GRICE
(matter as a --- the self
construct --- as a construct
-----
-------------EXTREME
-------------VIEWS
---------(Reductionism)
vis a vis --------------------
Carnap's -------------------- Grice's
pragmatist ------------------ emphasis
attitude ------------------- that
(physicalism ---------------- he is NOT
vs. phenomenalism ----------- an
a choice of ----------------- eliminationist.
linguistic framework -------- reductive, not
----------------------------- reductionist
----------------------------- analysis
Well I had a go.
ReplyDeleteSimple tables are not so bad in LaTeX but this kind of table is hard to get right. The process becomes very time consuming, and is a distraction from the philosophy.
I suggest we concentrate on content at present.
There are some other options I could try which might be easier for getting text in two columns.
Three columns gets very cramped on the small book format we are working with at present.
I will have a look at the methods for putting text into boxes.
RBJ
Good points about things looking cramped. The idea of the two columns may be good, provided it does not look to cramped.
ReplyDeleteI do work with double columns a lot with Word (for my opera club!), so I wonder if one can provide a two-column Word document which can then made compatible with LaTeX. But as you say, best to concentrate on content.
BUT THE IDEA Of having little passages with the same syntactical structure, and of similar length as replies by Carnap and Grice on one same topic should surely help the reader.
Trust they will be quoting us ON THOSE!
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Grice used Tables in "Aspects of Reason", so will have a look. I have reproduced most of them elsewhere, but not with great delicacy.
Another area where a diagram has been used vis a vis Grice's philosophy, is his taxonomy of meaning:
what U means
what U implicates
what U explicates
down to the level of the nonconventional conversational particularised implicature, etc.
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I would assume a similar diagramme for some of Carnap's conceptions may do. E.g his refining Morris on pragmatics:
Carnap's semeiotic
semiotic
1. syntactict: study of concatenation rules
2. semantic: truth-assignment
3. pragmatic: assertion, belief, etc.
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Etc.